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[DGorman]

[alexp]

DDS would mean more load on the (my seemingly fragile) ribs.

You guys use DDS, Ill stick with DCH and take my 20kg of lead off? Is that fair

[kai]

Ah, this is really getting tricky now. Come to think of it (not for the first time), I’d like an OAP discount from my lap times!

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So, we’ve all just had the first email circular on next season’s details and the invitation to vote on (dry) tyre choices / arrangements for 2012.

Being awkward, how about including use of the medium tyre (DDM) on the ballot?

We know that DCH/DDH tyres are good for one race meeting plus a good deal of subsequent practice. But we don’t – or at least I don’t – really know about the useful life of the medium and soft options. I know the proposed formula of using the hard/soft sets for 2 meetings each addresses that to some extent, but more specifics would be good to have.

[Antoine]

The Medium (DDM), could be a good compromise as a single tyre.

I think the best would be to try the 3 tyres back to back to compare the experience and to run these 3 tyres at one track to compare the duration, but I bet something like: DCH: 3 days, DDM: 2 days, DDS: 1 day with one day being approx. 60 minutes.

Anyway thinking more about getting to softer tyres: driving a soft tyre is much more fun but is racing soft tyres more fun? The more the grip the less passes (compare F1 20 years ago and now!). So I am not too sure now...

On this basis I am throwing another idea: all racing on DCH but we do qualify at every races on soft tyres, with an allocation of 2 soft tyres for the entire season. At PFI we are already doing qualify and I think it would be a shame to do it for all other races as the heat formula is great. So we could add qualify on top of the heats at the beginning, the result would count like a heat in the place for final and maybe give some championships points. I think this would be a good compromise for having soft and hard tyres

[aixroboy]

nice idea for the tires but think good on how difficult it will be to control all this many discussions will follow

hard tire or soft tyre is ok but everyone on the same tire at the same moment

i do not think that many drivers in the aixro series have the knowledge for setup and driving 2 sets of different tyres in 2 races with the material they have

nice idea on putting me and bjorn on the hard tyre but not fare i think

[alexp]

[alexp]

I like Antoine's idea of qualifying on softs and race on hards. That's more like F1 of old, though without the jungle juice quali fuel.

Also Jurgen's point on same tires at the same moment, is a strong point. I think i'd get quite frustrated being caught by someone I knew was slower and likewise not being able to catch someone I am faster than due to a huge difference in grip, sure the reverse may be fun when im on the softs but that's not realty in a way, it's a false economy of sorts.

[aixroboy]

to complicated antoine all these rules i think

not true antoine for the soft tyre to have less passes you can brake much later more corner speed etc .....

in lydd we tested this year the difference of the hard and the medium was about 0,8 seconds a lap

if you only drive 3 heats 10 laps and 1 final 12 laps you can also use the medium tire for next training we do it in europe even with the soft tyre and we run 3 heats of 22 laps

keep it simple guys it is already difficult for everyone to get everything setup right just imagine you have to change each time tyres and setup between heats

for example you come in from quali with softs and need to change everything to hard tyres

you need extra set of rims may be change the sprocket and chain maybe another axle or setup of the seat and seatsupports camber caster torsion bars etc.....

the drivers who can do this quick and have the knowledge for this will be even faster then. if you do this it will be for some drivers even harder to drive in the front

sorry not a good idea i think

keep it simple and easy for all the drivers

[Antoine]

I agree it might become a bit too complicated having 2 types of tyres

However on the soft reducing passes I am pretty sure of my point:
with soft you can indeed brake later but it is true also for the guy defending, the corner speed is high indeed but it means the difference of speed between straight and corner is less important with soft. All this means that the braking time is reduced, at the same time the difference between ideal time for braking and time where you have to brake else you miss the apex is also reduced hence pass harder. That's exactly the problem of modern motorsports. So for racing interest, I actually think hard tyre is better.

Anyway, I think it's best to take decisions to keep our racing as enjoyable as possible (=simple?)

[aixroboy]

antoine with the hard tyres is passing on the dirty line much more difficult then with a soft tyre certainly on tracks with low grip like LYDD and teeside but we will test it next time now you also drive crg me and you and 2 sets of tyres

im looking forward to this

[xratedkarting]

Well chaps, this all good stuff. If we used the DCH ( Hard) and Vega white as the soft tyre ( we would be able to police the driver tyres choice easier).
As has been mentioned in Mike's latest email we will put the tyre choice for 2012 to the vote.

[Antoine]

Jurgen, no point racing me on my CRG on any sort of tyres at the moment, I have not found where the throttle is yet )
Damn I knew it would not be easy to change chassis make at the begining but not that difficult...

[alexp]

ok, I back track...

Stay with DCH's.
Lower stress on body and kart parts.
2 tyres on the same day will be difficult re setup.
With DDS's snapping axles will be more common i'd imagine, as well as others parts that we haven't munched so far...

[aixroboy]

[kai]