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[Road_Rebel]

Me and my friend (my friend mainly) have a theory that this could make karting better for the budget guys...

I and my friend are budget boys XD XD

You see.. the thing is. as all the big guys are looking to change over to the expensive KF they are gona have no need for the rotax, therefore they will be selling them, meaning that us budget guys that cant afford the KF's will be buying the big boys rotax's OR newcomers (being other budget boys) can buy the 2nd hand rotax.

This results in there being bigger grids at club level for rotax with budget boys!! XD XD

Good theory eh??
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[Alan Dove]

lol i see your concept, but KF3 budget wise isn't going to be hugely different than Jr Rotax if you want it to be. I think TKM might benefit most actually depending on how they play... but knowing TKM I am not sure.
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[Alan Dove]

Here's a theory that takes a twist on your idea.

I would prefer KF to take over. One clear sytem in karting. now people worry that the KF classes will be too expensive. BUT, if there is only ONE junior class you would naturally want to run a club/national system

KF3 National
KF3 Club

So at a club meet you would have your national lads separated from the club lads. Now if KF is a continual development class the quick lads will want to sell their motors on the cheap because they are 'useless'... obviously noobs and the club class can snap these motors up on the cheap.

To cut costs we have to seperate the class system like that. If clubbies run with national drivers like what happens now because we have so much fragmentation they will never stand a chance. But by racing your fellow clubbies yuou race in the same class as the national racers but without being forced to spend a big budget.
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[Road_Rebel]

i forgot to mention i was on about the snr but i see where your coming from... all we can do is see how it goes
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[chris kasch]

i can completely see where you're coming from there alan but im not sure i agree with you completely

i do agree that(in theory)it would be great to have a clear linear progression through the ranks in the form of the kf series(although as you know im a little sceptical).the main attraction is that all the drivers are together with no dissilution of the pool of talent through bitty untidy fomulas(as we have now).

where im not sure i agree with you is splitting/dividing up KF club and national because the very thing everyone has been wanting(the good old days of mass grids, A,B and C finals etc. etc. well,youve just instantly divided the grids into two and once you start that then your down the same route towards where we are at now surely?

i think the kf series will be pretty volatile this year with engines becomming redundant once developments are made and works drivers on better kit.i think though thats only to be expected and i reckon things will settle down in year two.the easiest way not to get bitten and find yourself with an engine thats a crock of course is just to keep an eye on the class but dont enter it and then buy an engine in maybe the second year when the pitfalls are less likely

[Alan Dove]

Its a system we used in the past to great success... 100 Britain (KF Clubman) -100 National (KF2) -100 Super National (KF1).

The thing is if you are a novice, or someone who isn't going to be able to spend any money you are never ever going to get the chance to race anywhere near the front. You will never be able to compete. Endlessly stuck in C -Finals

If the class is popular enough this will probably happen anyway.

You can't create this classes an expect people to do them... they would have to be result a massive grid numbers in the class. effect not cause. And it 'could' (greatest word ever created 'could') remove the cost element for the club racer. You'll be racing people on the same budget, and at the end of the day racing for a trophy against fair competition. It also means it's less intimidating for a noob as well.

Of course we are talking way off in the future here...
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[chris kasch]

ah i get ya!

that "could" be interesting!

[Alan Dove]

I think KF2 definitely needs work. KF4 was supposed to be the clubman class but it's just not ever going to happen. So the idea of clubman KF is there except I think the CIk over estimated the impact KF4 would have... and that impact is zero.

KF2 wasn't intended as a clubman class... the manufacturers have to re evaluate how they produce their engines. I think it can and has to work but IAME and go need to get their thinking caps on
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